UN DÍA SIENDO PRESIDENTE CON GUSTAVO PETRO - DIRECTO COMPLETO | WESTCOL

They are starting to applaud, I don't know why they are looking at my face. What's up? You came out and came back in, I don't know. I defecated with this suit, right? How are you guys? Sorry for the delay. Obviously, we are working so you can see a string with a lot of quality, a lot of production. Right now I am outside the Palacio de Nariño.

I am about to have a talk with the president. I have a gift for you here. This place where we are, no one can access. This is a place where the enter, government people enter. When we pass this door, we will meet the president. I have a gift for you, you know what it is, entrepreneurship. I want to tell you more or less, and give you an introduction to what this streaming is going to be.

Because suddenly many people think that this stream is going to be a stream of a conventional interview, or like the classic media that you are used to. Basically this stream will be more of a story, more so that all the youth, all the kids who follow me, because I, like you, I'm not with politics. You know that I don't know about politics, I'm not, I'm not soaked in politics. I'm not going to see a conference, I'm not going to see some debates, I never see that, but that doesn't mean it's not very important.

So this space is also to learn a little, to learn about history, to enter Nariño's house. For the first time, you know, this has to be crazy, we're all going to see it here as a family, as friends. Obviously, I'm also going to have the space to talk to the president. From what I know, I'm not going to make up things, from what I know, I'm not going to start making things up, from what I know, because possibly I'm the youngest guy who's doing an interview with Gustavo Petro, and that's what it is, man.

I can't stay ignorant, talking about the topics people want me to talk about. So I'm going to talk about what I know, and obviously, always focused, and directing towards youth, because in the end, we young people are the future and that's what we want to do also tell you that we have to be immersed in politics and know who we vote for

what the president does etc. etc. etc. so we're going to develop the stream and there we also make a space so that you can also ask some questions we're going to go around the Palacio de Benariño

and then we're going to sit for a while and talk a little bit. I'm already waiting for you to tell me if you want, we're going to show you around here so you can see how beautiful this is. This entrance that you see on the right is only for ministers, people like that. It's between power, you know what you get in here. And we are here in the palace of Nariño, which for many years. How many years has this structure been here? 1700 what?

1754 It was the first date for this structure to be here, 1754. And something that President Gustavo Petro did, which no other president had done, is that this is closed, all of this is closed, this is a closed circuit,

and there is a park over there that was enabled so people can enter and see this from outside and see it from closer because this is culture, this is very nice look how beautiful it is

I think that there they are showing the president I feel very strange and I messed up with the suit I think I messed up with the suit too

I was thinking about how to come what to do I think I messed up with the costume, I put on a costume that I'm not used to.

I was thinking about how to come, what to do, and look how I came. I came trying to do my best, I think we're not that bad, I just got a little big and I couldn't see myself. I brought a little baby, that's how far we go. I'm going to be interacting with you too, every time I have the opportunity, so that we can develop a stream with you

Thanks to the half a million people that are watching this streaming Thank you very much I hope everything is looking good Let's see, I see Do you have a good signal?

Yeah, yeah, but not too much

Everything is good, right? I look good with my hair and everything I have to look very handsome today, bro

That's what the congress did

Well, that's what the congress did No, man, we're going to do a tour, we're going to do something really cool, I'm telling you. Before anything else, I want to tell everyone who has any questions, I'll repeat it again, I don't have much knowledge of politics. So what I'm going to talk about is what I know, what I can debate, what I can really ask, and from my experiences as a young man. Because here where I come from, I'm still displaced by the guerrillas,

from Estratosero, I come from the neighborhood. So all that, I can tell the president and see how my education was, how I grew up and how difficult life is for a young man here in Colombia. These are experiences and evidence, not what I saw on the internet, not what I saw on social media. Because, well, there are many people who say that they are not going to get together, they

put me as a monkey, as if I were not smart and the return, obviously we have different education, obviously there are people who can speak from their position, relaxed, calm, imagine if you were born relaxed and you can study with peace of mind, everyone would like that, that is the reality, so my education is obviously not as advanced as many, but I'm sure I have a lot of knowledge that will be useful for this stream, and much more for all the young people.

And another thing, which I'm going to talk about right now with the president, which I think is very important, I had said it before, I had said that when I vote for a president, one of the things I always think about is that the president understands the digital world, the digital era, that he understands the youth, because in the end, you know that we have lived a transformation in the world, this digital world is new, this does not come from before, and we, the young people, are the ones who know the most about this, the ones who know the most about how this digital world is moving, the ones who know the most about the future,

where the future of the country is pointing. So, there are many things that are going to be touched today. It's not going to be a very long interview, so grab your chips and you have to enjoy it from your ranch. By the way, we lost. And you know what? though we did the stream a little later, behind that door we're going to meet the president

and tell him that he feels a little strange. Because this is not like what we normally are... Carlos, are you going to keep your cell phone? It has better internet. What we are normally used to. I've done streams with too big artists, with too important people. You know me, I've done crazy things, but I never thought of walking outside of the Palacio de Nariño.

This is something surreal for me. And remember that after this stream with Petro, we have the stream with Uribe. Because the idea is to listen to both extremes and see what each one thinks. So you can see that we are here, we are neutral people, we have no impartial side, and we come to what we come, and somehow, bro, the youth, because brother, let's be clear, I also have a hard time seeing a debate of politicians, it is very difficult, brother,

I am not going to talk about war, I am not going to talk about dead, that already makes me tired, so I am going to talk about the future, I am going to talk about the people, that's tiring. I'm going to talk about the future, about the changes, about what is really worth today. How are we doing, Melos? I'm talking incredible, this is the best I can give of myself. From here to there, don't ask for more, bro.

This is the best I can give. And the internet and everything, oh well, important fact, I have a little crack here, I can't have a single fault. I can't even see a piece of front. What was I going to do if I have to comb my hair? Congratulations, thank you very much. Let's see if we can keep in touch with the prince for anything you need.

What was I going to say if I have to comb my hair? Congratulations, thank you very much. Let's see if I can keep in touch with the principal for anything you need. What was I going to say? In part of the tour, the internet will be cut off. There are some bugs, but it will be fixed. Why? Because this palace obviously has signal inhibitors. In case someone gets a little weird and wants to enter a window or something strange, then it has its security

Security is not enabled for this streaming, do not try to do anything from your homes, be careful, if a thief is watching this, be careful In reality, if we see that there is any hacking or anything that happens, you have to turn off the stream of one, but that will not going to happen because, be careful, you know that can't be done. So obviously we are in a place where there are signal levels, where the signal is not going very well, but for you, it's the first time that a streaming is being done live, without cuts, this is not pre-recorded, how do we prove that it is not pre-recorded? Well, people are saying that this is pre-recorded, but this is not pre-recorded, man. So, it always gets much more complicated. What would be the next step?

What would be the next step?

National Administrative Implantation Shit, man. I'm going to tell you the truth. I went around here, I went around there. There's a war tank outside. Right now a caravan is coming. Petro is getting pretty No, it's good. I have the cameras on. Here you can see the signal. Here you can see the signal?

Yes.

I can't go there. Look how beautiful that looks. It looks beautiful, the little fountain that Mr. Gustavo Petro has. He doesn't live badly. Look at the little house he lives in. It has about 25 windows. He has a humble little house. A quiet little ranch. By the way, the president, if I'm not mistaken, should live here.

Even if he's the president, if he wanted to, he wouldn't. But for security and everything, he lives here. Let's see if he gives us a tour. Thanks to the 665,000 people who are here. Thank you very much. Don't forget to follow me on Instagram, very important, and all the social media.

And to all the media that are waiting for me to say something bad to get some news, save the clips very well because I'm going to say a lot of bad things that will help you a lot. At least 5 world funas today so get ready, you're going to eat, you're going to feed all those yellow media, you're going to eat a lot on this stream I'm going to give you too much Purina Ochao

yes, there are different sides, Being president has to be very hard. You can't be so easy on people. But you have to handle it in different ways. I feel very escorted. It's the first time I've had an experience like this. I swear, I've done everything.

But I'm not nervous, I feel anxious. I'm anxious to shake hands with the president. I don't know if he's the president, and what else is up there? The elite, the Illuminati. Some Colombian Illuminati must be up there. That has to be the only one up there. And that's it.

That's a good question for Petro. The Illuminati. That's a good question for Petro, the Illuminati one. That good one. If I get a little nervous and we don't get it, we're done. I'm not going to ask him questions that he normally does. Ask them to Caracol, RCN, to those who have studied all their lives for that. I don't have that knowledge, it's so barbaric.

I ask you what I'm going to ask you, you know, no, you really have to be happy for this stream because somehow it's like that people can say that it is a scourge, people can say like that this is what they said, that the country in which we live is a simulation. That my dream is when I have a fever. But you really start to think. And it's like the only way you can connect with a young person.

A young person is very difficult to be aware of politics. In fact, I'm going to tell you about it now, Petro. I'm going to write it down in my mental notebook. When you talk about politics, people get scared. Young people get scared. Young people get scared. Don't you get it? When I start talking about politics, or I mention it on stream, everyone goes nuts.

And you can't be afraid of politics, because politics is what controls the country. And we are... Now!

No, no, no, no.

Ok, we're in. They're going to throw a signal. Hey, get ready, it's different to see him on stream than on another tour, really. It's different to see him through this lens. This lens has more power, this lens has more ki. To see Petro through this lens, next to me, those are true dreams that have fever.

Dreams that have fever, shit. Well, let's go in.

Excuse me.

It's cold.

How are you?

Very well.

It's cold.

I've been waiting for you for an hour and a half. I've been there for a while. How are you? Do you feel calm? Yes, I feel calm. Good, that's very good. It took for a while. How are you? How do you feel? I'm good. It took a little while.

It's not easy to work here.

It's the first time I've been here. Did you live here?

Yes, but I stayed a few days.

A few days? That's why it's so big.

There are a lot of ghosts here. Be careful. They've done a lot of ghosts here. Be careful. They've done a lot of evil. This is the tunnel of time. Yes. One similar to this one is in the White House.

This is like a salsa. House of presidency. One in the middle of going to...

And where is yours? It doesn't exist yet.

No. And there aren't many that should exist.

But this one is very important, isn't it? Yes, sir. That's why it's like this, apart, alone.

Yes, alone, because he's the founder of the Republic.

But we've forgotten what he said. Why? How so?

Because we've become something contrary to what he had proposed.

And what did he propose?

The unity of this whole continent to make a world power. I think he saw very perfectly that geographically we are the heart of the world. Ok. There is no place where you can mathematically put the distances of the five continents of North, South and East America. So, that privileged position is all a game.

And here are many that you don't like?

Well, here we are missing the only indigenous president that Colombia has had, who was the last general of the Liberating Army, José María Melo, they don't have him because he was indigenous. He died shot in Chiapas. I'm looking for a corpse with the Mexican government,

but we haven't found him. And the only black president that Colombia had, Carlos Nieto, is missing. I have managed to make the monuments, the paintings, and we have them in a special room, but this corridor was left for elite people

And this is the summary?

That man is...

But it's the summary of each president, what he did, where he was born What's his last name? Leon Valencia Guillermo Leon Valencia And what's his last name? Let me see how it is

Gerard Restrepo. And this last name?

Let me see.

Pastrana Borrero.

Don't you think that in a democracy, it would seem that we have heirs that are in power. Because the last names you just mentioned are still valid.

Valencia, Gerard a lot of names.

Valencia, Lleras, Pastrana.

All of them are like heirs. You're right.

How can there be a democracy? You say there's a thread there. An simulated aristocracy. Yes, a thread in the terms of people like me. Well, here we go, this I did it here with some colleagues who helped me, which is to change the physiognomy of this patio, this patio I think they call it, for the boyfriends. Why? But it was not because

I had boyfriends, but because there were flowers that are called boyios and Geraniums. But I filled it with yellow butterflies. Look at this.

It's very beautiful. He has made several changes here.

It's a place of García Marquiano. Here there was not a single photo of García Márquez.

And he put them. And it is very important to have photos of García Márquez.

You can see here.

I'm going to invite you.

I always sit with those who visit me.

Oh no!

It's like a bath with this cold Uruguay.

Who has been sitting here, very important, where I am sitting?

Lula, there was Orsi, the president of Uruguay. I put Oric, once.

And who would you like to have close to you?

Trump.

But you were with Trump already.

Yes, but not there, not here.

And are we already on the right track or not?

We should be.

We are already entangled.

Are you entangled there or are we in trouble here? I think what I really got was to get Colombia out of the map where they throw missiles. Oh, thank goodness. The most important thing, the most important thing, is that we get out of that missile. We are all good.

If we were to be dropped missiles, it would would be good for Colombia. But I think I made that...

Kite?

They were tired of falling where the neighbor and in the sea.

But if we are good with the United States, I say we have to be good, right? It is convenient for us to be good with the United States.

I think we have to dialogue with all the civilizations of the world.

Yes, this is on the side of dialogue, not war.

Or when war is necessary? Exactly what I said. Being at the heart of the world, geographically speaking, the shortest point to any continent, Asia, Africa, Europe, North America, South America, Australia. So you have a responsibility. Many things that happen here, are a big hit in the world.

For some reason, we are the country where the fourth country in which the most nomadic animals arrive and land here. Here we also have the place where more people from all over the world have come to cross with our blood. 132. Many have crossed.

And then that is a great natural and cultural diversity. And I believe that is our great wealth. Then we can understand the world. We can understand Trump, but also any other person from any other culture. Not only that, but you can start dancing

there in foreign countries and you can catch up.

I'm already entangled with him. Don't tell me you don't know how to dance. No, I do know how to dance a little bit. I think you... What happened? Hey, put on this hat. I'll give it to you later, it's a gift.

I also have another gift.

Yes, we'll exchange gifts later. Where's my cell phone? Let's make a story that we're here on selfie. Let's make a story that we are here in selfie. Let's see, let's make a story here. A story, so that people can see. This is the first time you do a streaming, right?

Of course. Wait, wait, wait. Look, look, look. We are 800,000 people. Say hi to the people that are there. Hi. They are young.

We are going to reach 1 million.

Ay, jefe.

When we reach 1 million, everyone will get a subsidy.

A subsidy.

A subsidy.

Of 15 million pesos. Everyone. He already said it. We are going to upload a story here. You have a thumb, right?

Like this.

There you go.

So that you can come to the stream and we reach a million. And you win the subsidy. You know, I had a family subsidy in action. And you don't know how happy I was when I got that subsidy.

For the COVID era?

Yes, that subsidy was a beauty. When I got that $900,000 every 3 months.

Every 3 months?

Every 3 months, that's a great happiness.

I would give it to those who can't work.

That's also very good. Because in a way, young people can also work. That's the very good, because somehow, a young person can also work. That's the idea. Yes, you're right. I agree with that.

I focused on the kids until I was 6 years old, the single moms.

Uh-huh.

Do you know what happened? The mortality rate fell by half due to infant malnutrition in what I received from the government of Duque. It is one of our big successes.

We don't talk about it much, but now half of the children die of malnutrition. Hopefully we can get to zero. And it was giving that support. Look, here we have all the books.

Another room, the Arsenal.

What else?

That room is for the CECIA. No, this is all for. Another room. This is the library.

No, this is the new building. And these are the 100 years of solitude. Several languages. South, North, South. 100 years of solitude in all languages.

All languages.

Wow, that's amazing.

I have my own collection.

And here, this is the place where he lived in the end, in Mexico. And elements of his life. This is the first stage of journalism. The union in Cartagena. Here the Farbús. They were all leftist and made the alternative revolution. But all of this has become right-wing too.

It changes with age, with youth. This was a logo of the...

San Juan de Sabuena.

Here, a barefoot mosque, few bare feet on the coast.

And?

Even without a skirt.

Everything turned right.

He didn't.

But there are many.

Guayanato, there. The children. A sister of the president of Mexico is married to his son. So there is an articulation between the Mexican government and ours.

Singing Ballenaticos, you see, Alegría.

Intense, yes.

Do you like Ballenaticos?

The classic.

I like it.

I like it up to there. And the Zuleta brothers, but I don't like the new ones, they look like ranchers. And now it's another culture. This is where he found Fidel Castro, looking for his typewriter. And this picture, I'm going to tell you the story of this picture. This picture is from when he graduated from the National High School of Barahona and Tezipaquirá,

in the school that I studied. When I studied, in the year... Oh, you studied there. When I studied there, in 1974-75, a very restless group of my friends, we called it the JG3, and we decided, why the priests who managed the school didn't want to know that David Garcia Marquez had studied in that school. So we did an operation to go to the last floor where they had all those mosaics of photos. And we found it. And this is it.

And why didn't they want you to study there?

Because it was like nothing. You know what the problems are. The Nobel Prize in Colombia. Yes. He gave a speech in the Sipaquirá square when the Second World War ended. In 1945, to the people. It was his first speech.

And he had a girlfriend in Sipaquirá, who was later killed.

Because of all the violence, always, that Pérez,

that's what I like.

That's why 100 years of solitude. It means, like permanently, like making goldfish, and turning them into gold. It's the violence. You do it, you undo it, and you go back. And we've been doing this for centuries.

Precious, were you ever been close to dying? Several times. Several times close to dying?

Yes, I am a survivor.

Survivor.

I consider myself like that. And sometimes I feel sad, but I can't say it.

Yes, of course.

I don't like to talk about death, war. I don't like that. But you have to analyze it. I don't like to talk about death, war, I don't like that. The truth is that...

But we have to analyze it, we have to analyze it to be able to overcome it.

How long do you think Colombia can overcome war, death?

I think that...

At least compared to a country like that, because I've traveled all over the world and I think Colombia is very dangerous.

The truth.

Not as much as other countries, but... And it depends on the regions. If you know how to move around Colombia, you move.

Ok.

Let's take a break.

Let's take a break.

This is the word of peace. Let's take a break. Let's take a break. The peace is over.

Well, now we're back. We're at another spot. You said there are young people who support Petro. Many. Why do you say that?

I won the election because of the young people. Because we were tied. We didn't know what was going to happen in the second round. I was a little bit nervous, because we were tied. We didn't know what was going to happen in the second round. Ciro Hernandez is a person that I consider decent. He had his problems, but in a way he admired me.

We had talked a lot before to do things together. And everything went well so that we could be competitors. But what made him stand out was basically that a million young people, more or less between 18 and 22 years old at that time, who had come out of the social outbreak, remember,

a few months earlier, went to the polls in one after another for me.

I'm a streamer and I'm followed by young people. Most young people follow me.

But you're young.

Yes, yes, I'm... I consider myself younger than my age. I'm a... I'm a... I tell you, I control a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a... I'm a Everyone is scared. They don't even tell me if Petro or this guy... They are scared. They directly tell me, don't talk about politics, don't get involved in that. I really don't know if they don't want us to talk about politics

because they are tired of the same thing, or because they don't see a change, or because they are really scared. But I've never seen... When we announced the stream, people didn't tell me, like, yes, yes, let's do it, yes, they got happy. They really didn't want me to have a relationship with politics.

Why do you think that no young person, of those who follow me, because maybe those who voted for you are others, doesn't want me to have a relationship with politics?

I think you are in a specific region. There is a radius, but the center, the heart of your core of followers is Antioquia.

No, but no.

How do you have the distribution of your followers? In all of Colombia. They follow me in all of Colombia. No, I'm not saying no, but there is a fundamental niche. Because you are from there, I think there is a fundamental niche, because you are from there, I think. And that, there, to do politics, and above all politics, not the official, not the dominant current that everyone talks about, is very dangerous. Why? What? painting a badge on a wall was like giving a war council.

You didn't have to complain, but it was already a big event. So there was a high level of repression, especially among young people, who had a beard, or worse. And basically because they were made toide with subversive ideas, which were no more than different ideas, ways of dressing differently, ways of playing different music at that time, the time of the Beatles and all that sounded...

And you say that comes from there to here, because it is still the same.

Yes, in some regions more than in others, but youth is always youth as an internal enemy because of their ability to transform, their ability to not kneel, their ability to rebel. Even if it's a bad rebellion.

I feel that before they were like, I talk to them every day, I feel that they're tired of the same things, of death, of war. For example, you lost a lot of friends. Do you feel that the friends who died were in vain? You're already president.

That's a way that it wasn't in vain. And what's happening in Colombia, I don't think it's in vain. I think there is a process of transformation. Some would like it to be deeper, others not so much. It's happening too fast, but we're in a process of transformation. The simple fact, to talk about a public policy,

that almost 400,000 young students for the first time enter new classes, not those that existed before, but new classes in free public universities, I was a student of the University of Bogotá. I was a student of the University of Bogotá. I was a student of the University of Bogotá. I was a student of the University of Bogotá. I was a student of the University of Bogotá. I was a student of the University of Bogotá.

I was a student of the mayor of Bogota, remember? So I know Bogota. And in Bosa there is a lot to do in the district, the medical faculty, which would be free and would be in Bosa. And those are spectacular changes for a young person to see the possibility that more and more doors opening doors for youth.

I wish it was more, because I've been living like this since I was a kid. It was hard for me to study. I'm displaced from the guerrilla. I also endured hunger many times. Now that I have things and I have achieved things, I think that 99% of the messages that I get on Instagram are from people asking me for work. I assure you, for God's sake.

Well, the same thing happens to me. People asking me for work. In 1999, we're talking about many years, we're talking about 10 years, and it hasn't changed. I don't see a difference.

I changed. But really, for a young person to get out of poverty in a neighborhood, it's very difficult. Yes. One in a hundred will leave. According to statistics, which is the only thing we can see, they can be badly done, that's always criticizable, but it's what we have.

It takes nine generations for a poor person to leave poverty. That is, the tatarataratatara, the grandchildren, can have that access, to be able to get out of poverty. It is as if it were a slavery, an infinite mark, and made by strata, because we have stratified ourselves. And the change is that it is accelerated.

In other words, to be able to give to people who today have low economic capacity, sometimes saying poor is very hard, but the tools to get out. And the tools to get out are called land, if you are in the countryside, land. Education, if you are in the countryside and in the city. Higher education and the possibility of accessing credit, which is the most difficult of all. So if you put those three things together, you don't guarantee 100% success,

but you already have how to buy some equipment if you want to dedicate yourself to the individual.

Do you think the young man fails in something too?

There is a lot of individualism. That is not the fault of the young man, it is the fault of our educational system. When I was there, precisely at the school of García Márquez that I showed you, we worked as a team, I helped. Because I was the one who always got the first place. How do you say it? The nerd.

The nerd.

But I was a weird nerd because I brought different books. You got very high scores. Yes, and I didn't just give them to myself. I gave my colleagues the homework. That's a softness. I would give my colleagues their homework. And if there were exams, I would tell them what the answer was. I finished first, so I had time to do that. But a solidarity was created because knowledge is not an individual thing.

It's a collective, it's a collective. Even history comes from behind. And we have become very individualistic. So it's like the competition. Let's see,

I'm the first one.

So, like the young man achieves something and doesn't want to help the other one.

Exactly. And the Colombian educational system, that's a debt, because we have dedicated ourselves a lot to building new schools, opening new schools, but we have to change the style of education. So, you have an authoritarian education, learn by heart, son,

and sometimes you forgets, and he's an individualist. When you compare Colombians to other peoples of the world, Colombians have a flaw. They're very lively, very tenacious, they're very stubborn, they don't let anyone cheat on them.

They're very biblical, they always want to cheat.

They defend themselves, but only. So, Colombians have to learn to work as a team. Here in this government, I see it every day. Fights and fights for egos and for who is more, and for who makes it said that it is that person who made the program.

If you worked as a team, an example, if you are on an abandoned island with Alvaro Uribe, So, I'm not going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it.

I'm going to say it.

I'm going to say it. I'm going to chase him. And you feel that he would work with you? Well, if we are on an island, he will only touch it.

He should, right?

What else can he do? But, in that way, shouldn't he be like that to work for the country?

There are different conceptions.

I think that young people, those who are tired, say, what left, what right, what that.

No, no, no, Here you can't have conditions, ingenuity. You have a limited land, fertile, in Colombia, about 15 million hectares. If that belongs to 3,000 people, and not 11 million peasants,

you have a problem. And that's why there's violence and the war of I don't know how many decades ago. Because there is a deeply unequal country. You can't say, no, cool, because the boys can go to private universities paying a huge amount of money.

So to do that, you have to take away another one and give him another one.

No, because look, one of the statistical results in my government, being like this, the other governments of growth, income per strata, my government grew like this. That was because of the wage policy, the labor reform. They grew like that. But not only the poor. The poor grew more. Those with less than a minimum wage grew more in income.

But all the strata, let's call it that, even the richest, grew in income.

And why?

Well, that's an interesting economic discussion, but it's an undeniable fact that, as never before, we have raised the standard of living of all Colombians. A little bit the richest, a lot the poorest, but that's good because there's more equality. And therefore less violence.

Those are the results. So, for example, in our universities, we have not closed any private universities, as far as we know. There are some that, due to irregular things, have to close,

but what we have done is grow the public university.

What advice would you give to a young person, lo que hemos hecho es crecer la universidad pública. ¿Qué consejo le daría a un joven, usted como presidente, entonces qué camino debe tomar él para salir de la pobreza?

Yo primero digo estudie.

Pero ahorita me dices que la educación está suave.

Estamos ampliando, pasamos, mire, para poner los números exactamente, We are expanding. We are going to put the numbers exactly, and that is why it is missing. The coverage of young people at the age of studying at university, who study at university, higher education, even SENA, etc., is 50%. Half of the young people stayed outside. Now, at the end of my government, at the end of this year, we reached 60%. That one can say a little, it should be 100%, but going from 50% to 60%

is a great advantage, because if we bet on the new government to keep doing the same, then we'll go to 70%. And you'll see that a great majority of young people, boys and girls, start to have as a possibility of their life, at the age they are, to study at the university.

Well, there are many who don't have the possibility to study. There are many, but less and less. Less and less. Statistically?

Statistically. You can tell me if that's true.

Yes, yes, I don't know if that's true.

I admit the criticism.

No, I don't know about that. The statistics are the statistics. If you say that statistically, I'm not going to debate that. The thing is that, in a way, if you go there and study, do your university degree, then your salary is bad,

or you don't get a job even if you have the studies. That's why young people aren't even deciding whether to study or not. Or look at me, I'm a streamer and I can generate more than I generate and I can generate more than I generate.

But what we're doing here, we have to study it.

I didn't study.

But there should be careers to do it better.

I didn't study, I'm really bad at it. You're self-taught.

Yes, I did it alone, I did alone, and I looked for my opportunities. That's very good, but let's say, when you get into these technologies, they're getting more and more complex, because then there's artificial intelligence, the algorithm of I don't know what. That should be in education.

That should be in elementary school. Artificial intelligence, technology. Everything, start playing with that, first playing, but until you know. And that is being worked on. That is one of my goals. I have already founded several quantum science faculties. They don't like the word in Colombia't understand it. Well, if many faculties are made, then Colombia is approaching, at least at the level of knowledge, that allows to manage issues like artificial intelligence.

And not that artificial intelligence manages us. What you know is the danger of today.

Yes, right now they are removing jobs. They are removing jobs. For artificial intelligence.

For productivity. All routine work, you are not going to remove it, because you are not routine, you create, invent. But those jobs that were, are routine. For example, what a secretary was, always writing on the machine, or a file writer,

filling out the files. I think even a journalist is replacing them with artificial intelligence. And there are going to be tens of millions of workers in the world, I would say hundreds of millions, that leave. And there you start to see the politics, because then what is going to happen with those people?

There are only two options. Artificial intelligence produces a leap in productivity. The leap in productivity generates more wealth. And who gets the wealth?

It generates more wealth for the richest and more unemployment.

Then you start to think like me. But there can be another model. And that is, as more people leave work, because machines do the work, productivity is distributed in free time. So you can start lowering your retirement age, you can extend your holidays,

you can reduce your working day, which is what I did. And that free time is a wealth, my brother. Because, well, someone will think, in my free time, it's hard for me to scratch myself. No, the human being will then take a book, he will take an art, he will take...

He will enjoy it. But in the end, it's also like... That's like going against artificial intelligence. I'm going to take an art, I'm going to take... You're going to enjoy it, but in the end, it's also like... That's like going against artificial intelligence. It's a path that you can't go against artificial intelligence.

You have to control it. Control it socially. The discussion that exists in Colombia, I'm going to give you an example. We have... Because they taught me, I didn't know that, so we have to have three lots the size of this palace

in a triangle shape, and there we have super mega computers, full of computers, like this palace, fiber optics, clean energy, etc. And that becomes a data center, but mega. With a great computational capacity and with a lot of speed.

That's where the tablets chips come from, those that now make the United States and China fight. I'm trying to mount it because it is sabotage here, sabotage there. The fight between the Russians, the Chinese and the Americans, they put us in a tight spot, so we have to choose. And the funny thing is that we started doing that, but it takes years to achieve it.

How long does it take? The speed of a chip. That is the speed of light. And it is through atoms. That's why it's quantum.

Quantum. You know what quantum is? It's like the smallest thing. The smallest movement of an electron in an atom. But let's not talk about that so much.

That's the basis of modern technology.

And how difficult is it for young people to study artificial intelligence in schools?

I think it starts in elementary school.

In elementary school, but to practice it, to play, to program. Yes, but to do it, that the child really goes there and they read it as a subject.

It's the teacher I taught. It hasn't been that fast, because my Minister of TICS confused the program a little. I want teachers of that in all the schools in the country, which are 18,000,

teaching from the bottom up. You don't need much complexity, but you've seen today's kids, they practically learn by themselves. Without their dad teaching them, because their dad doesn't know

how to handle that. I see myself as a cat sometimes,

with the speed. But obviously, it's good to have a guide, because in the end, you do the homework and you get it.

But then, they're teachers. There are 1,800 Colombians experts in mathematics and quantum physics in the world. If we could bring them, we would have the core of the leap. And those are leaps. And we have to study them. And the state has to offer that study.

No, but I don't think we even have to bring them. There are a lot of people who know. estudiar los y el estado tiene que ofrecer ese estudio no pero yo creo que ni siquiera hay que traer los aquí hay un montón de gente que sabe empieza acá hay un montón es simplemente hacerlo si me entiende ejercer lo dale el sueldo al profesor al que quiera enseñarle a los jóvenes pero yo tengo panas que aprendieron solitos y ya son unos monstruos y ese porque se

puede aprender solo pero no es fácil no es fácil pero ya hay muchos que saben y They started by themselves and now they are monsters. Yes, yes, because you can learn by yourself, but it's not easy.

It's not easy, but there are many who know. And since there are so many who know, you can already teach that.

We are already teaching that.

But not in all schools. How long could it take?

We have an effort in SENA, anintik is developing, but not in all the schools. And that's where we failed, because my program was for all the schools. So, knowing algebra, which is for all the young people in high school, today is equivalent to knowing how to program a computer. And if it's the languages, etc. If we have that, we have a million young people who are learning to program computers. And if that comes out and specializes, etc., then we have an economy that grows in productivity.

That is essential. Someone can tell you, well, if there is no optical fiber, what for? It does not give the power of the etc. There are several problems to solve.

And what do you tell the young man then to study, which is what you said at the beginning, study, exercise and has no job.

You have to co-operate. Look, we already have the topic in the SENA. It's a part where a lot of youth goes to study things they like. It's not a four-year degree, it's a technology,

but more and more youth wants concrete things in technology. is and we did the survey, it was the first time the state could know what that world was I mean, the young people after the gangs accepted to do surveys and all that

because they trusted me

No, that's not true, they are just making fun of you right now

No, look what happened, I'm talking about 15 years ago but what happened in that program, we started it late, 10,000 people did their, all of them went to study, all 10,000, those who had to finish high school, most in SENA, doing audiovisual. rap in that moment. Even if you look on YouTube, there is a singer called Samurai, who was from Ciudad Bolívar. His classmates played the violin together. When you ask yourself why they played the violin in Ciudad Bolívar, it was because it was our program to bring classical music to all schools and educate in music.

Not because we consider that classical music is superior. In this I have had many debates here with the Ministry of Culture, but because it teaches you mathematics. It teaches you to work as a team. It is a set that sounds, not just an instrument. And it gives you the abstraction. When you apply that to other music, rap, in the case of Samurai, it sounded very good. Samurai was almost the one that was going to follow Cancerbero,

Venezuelan. I don't know if you've heard it. But, watch out, Cancerbero was killed. A jealous woman. Not because of him, but because of his producer.

You say that, you know it.

Yes, I know the story of Cancerbero.

But that's a story, a rumor, that's not something...

No, that's been proven. That's not proven, that's a case that they closed. They threw the two of them into the cancer factory in the balcony to make them look like a suicide. They bought the Venezuelan police, they have a name there. But then everything was confessed. I managed to have a communication with the father of the cancer patient. Because in my last trip to Venezuela, I mentioned it in my speech. Cancerbero. Porque en mi última ida a Venezuela yo lo mencioné en mi discurso.

Para mí me parecía un genio, un poeta, un poeta maldito. ¿Se escuchaba Cancerbero? ¿Le gustaba? Me gustaba. Él estuvo por acá grabando aquí en el Transmilenio. Y después encontré a Samurai y yo vi que Samurai, and I saw that Samurai had the accumulation of human Bogota, when he taught classical music in schools. There were 90,000 young people studying that. And Samurai was also killed, but in a different way.

He appeared in a dumpster in Ciudad Bolívar. There... This happens a dumpster in Bolivar City. There...

This happens a lot here in Colombia. If I ask you, what is the easy way for a man and a woman in Colombia? The easy way to get money.

No, no, no. I'd say don't choose the easy way.

But what would be the easy way? Because the easy way here in Colombia is very different from the easy way in Europe. First, I wouldn't think about how to get money like that to become a saint. But what is the easy way for a young person to have a good life? Or to take food home, let's put it like that.

Of a young man and a woman, what is the easy way for you here in Colombia?

To study.

No, no, no, that's not the easy way. That's not the easy way. The best way. That's the best way. The easy way is different.

It's the hard way.

What is the easy way?

The way that they open up to you as easy, that you know in the neighborhoods that are oppressing. That's the easy way. Easy for a girl, prostitution. And for a man? For a young man, killing another. And they give money for that, etc. But, it seems easy.

But it takes you to a siphon. You're not a hurricane,

like a young man. That's obvious. That's not the way. But it's the easy way.

That also says a lot about what's happening. The easy way doesn't work. It's a mirage. I call that lenticulous.

Obviously, you said that.

Well, they criticize me when I talk about that. Why do you think Colombia is the country of potency and onlyfans? Potency.

Because women are very pretty.

But...

Also because of that. But... That's also why. But we live in poverty. So an old degenerate, retired, European or gringo, who lives alone, who can't get a girlfriend because it's different there, and then he sees those girls on those pages and she goes blind. But she unleashes all her hidden, repressed perversity

on the young woman who is on the other side of the screen. She is hearing and hearing every day that type of perverse burden of generally old, sad, and sick.

Here, the truth is, here they allow those things. Really, I mean, what I do every day at 10 is to go to my house in Lleras Park. Lleras Park can be the largest open-air prostitution park in Latin America.

Because a culture has been created like that, but if you investigate and you have to talk to these young people, you have to talk. So when you start talking and discover why, generally she is responsible for the children.

Almost always.

I have even discovered that not only the children of her, but sometimes the children of her sister, who left her sister, became drug addicts. Possibly her father abandoned them. Or her father became a drug addict and ended up in jail.

So, she's a young woman of 21 or 22 years old with a burden that none of us would have at that age. That's why the problem has to be rooted.

Uh-huh.

So that it doesn't happen.

And it has to do with the state. Because it's a collapse of the family. I mean, poverty, the levels of poverty hit a dysfunctional family more, the technicians say, than a richer family.

They have more ways to defend itself. So, it destroys the family. We have families destroyed by hundreds of thousands. The Gods always talk about the family and they think that we don't want the family. But no, the family is a unit of protection that can be even production and knowledge, but if the family is destroyed you have a child,

a daughter, looking at only a gray of the wax, disaffected and sometimes they don't look at dad parents because they are either late or drunk, etc. So when you ask me about security, I didn't invent this, the gringos invented it by doing surveys in New York. Many people, but I think they are right. What is the best security policy a country can do? It's not short term.

It's to fill all their babies with love. Their first childhood. When they leave and when they come back. So they are never hugged.

It's almost always like that, it's true.

And then those kids are already feel a lack of something. And then when they grow up, they get it.

It's like Colombia never had a solution.

No, because the solution is easy.

You know what I feel? Me, personally. All the time I've been alive, I feel like the country hasn't changed at all.

Well, look at the statistics.

Yes, but when the statistics are so minimal, you don't feel or see it. There comes a time when you don't even want to vote. You say, another one is going to come up, it's the same thing.

That's apathetic, but let's say I've never been apathetic. I've taken a position as a young man.

Do you feel like a radical change has been made, that you have felt.

For 18 years. But I don't want to talk about me, but this statistic. Colombians have the longest working day of the OECD. Longest. And we have the lowest productivity.

Yes, the platform fell.

How many have we reached? No, but we haven't reached a million.

Hey, you can put the chat here so I can read it. Here is the platform. Here there is no chat.

I don't see anything. Let's see, I see. I don't see anything I'm going to be honest, I'm not a big fan of the idea of a political party.

I'm not a big fan of the idea of a political party. I'm not a big fan of the idea of a political party.

I feel it's very difficult for a young person to listen to politics.

But look at them.

Yes, it's a good...

Yes, I feel it's a good... Ah, ok. And how are we doing in our social media?

Good record too, then. Yes, it's... I'm not sure if I'm... I'm not... I'm not sure if I'm...

Well, that also means that you are aware of what is happening today in the digital world. You are aware of what is happening digitally. That's very good. I used to say that I wasn't going to vote for a president if I wasn't aware of how the digital world was moving in the country.

Because for me, somehow, after what I work, what I do, and what I am most informed about, I feel that it is really like the future. All the people who have... There was a moment when a lot of people fell, and the platform exploded, but we came back. So far, everything is fine, right? Well, the people. I told the president that it is very difficult platform. and that somehow it's the future, and that's what we're aiming for. So it's important that people who are watching this know that this is also a great opportunity

for people to somehow start getting more information about politics, because in the end, how important is it that a young person knows about politics and understands what's going on politically?

Well, that they don't get carried away. That they're informed. That's the first thing. politically? the brain develops. What happens to you in the future depends on what happened to you between 0 and 7 years. And when we were talking about the lady who then does not have time, you told me, well, then it is very difficult because the day is reduced to the hour.

That's what I did. It took me work, but I did it. We got up at 6 in the afternoon, because it was already 10 at night. And there was only one hour. The one who does it now is illegal. The one who does it now has to pay more.

Extra hours.

Extra hours. And Saturday and Sunday. So what do you achieve there, in women? That they are more with their children. And I think that's the gain. Domingo is case a logra in a mojeres Esta más con sus hijos. Yo creo que esa laguna. No se va cambiando todo gradualmente Si por gradualmente de esos niños hasta dentro de seis siete años Ya empezaron a ser unos niños

Menos a complejos y se acaba a que veníamos por aquí que veníamos por el corredor de los presidentes Right now, we were coming through the president's corridor. You said that everyone had a lineage, a surname.

Yes, all of them.

So, your government is over.

Yes.

Another president is formed.

Yes.

Everything you did can be lost.

It depends on the people.

Well, then...

It depends on the people.

So, we have...

I made a subway here for the studios, ready to to build, which is what this huge city needs. And they took it apart and in 10 years, until now, they are building an elevated one, which is like a bus stop. And, well, I don't get into politics with you, but that's what happened. Because the decision of the population, in the elections that followed to determine my successor, they voted against the subway. And there we have the consequences.

Are you sure that your governance is the correct one?

No, we have made mistakes. All this has been, but the changes have been visible. The fact that the standard of living of all Colombians has increased, the fact that the fridges are full of food, the fact that 30 million tons of food were produced before, and now 40, the fact that there are 700,000 hectares being given to the peasants, the one with 400,000 new young people

in universities, studying for free, with the possibility of leaving, etc. These are the ones with the lowest unemployment rate in the century.

These are the ones that economists said were not possible and we did it. All of that is making a change. When you

in exports no longer export coal and oil as the only hope, which are poisons in the atmosphere, you know, it produces all these climate catastrophes

and more and more. But now you have an industry and agriculture and several branches selling more to the outside world than coal and oil, you are making a change. Because that means more jobs, because that means more diverse studies, because to make coffee you have to study coffee, etc. So I feel happy. There has been a transformation.

The electoral results say...

You say you fulfilled your government well. You are happy.

No, not totally. There are some things to do. For example, the care program for the first childhood and youth is not complete. We have achieved some things, but you see it in the neighborhoods, there are many other things to be done. Too many. The young person should stop being seen as an enemy. The gentlemen, the boys, there was talked about it, they told me. Well, let's say we declare mourning, but mourning is not symbolic.

Of course. Mourning is because one has to think, well, if our youth is dying, we are doing badly. They were doing a lot of things, but they were not doing it well. in Yes. That didn't exist in the past. They were very proud of their families, generally, their mothers. And there was hope. So, on that plane,

young people were going, hoping.

Yes. And they died. I don't know, because I tell you what it is. I'm not very focused on politics. Besides, many people who are watching this, who are young too, this is probably the first time they've heard you talk so much.

It's the reality, man. I talk a lot. Yes, yes, but it's difficult. You know what I would like to do? So that young people also have the opportunity for the next elections.

To be in a debate with the next candidates. To be able to be in a debate, if you can help me with that,

because they are young.

I can't get into politics. Why can't you get into politics?

Because the president has to be neutral, they say.

They are neutral, that's why they are going to be both. It's also a cart, because I'm from a party and I've fought all my life in a position... But it's important that people listen to both sides of the coin, what a debate is, what a debate means.

I think that politics in the world, not only in Colombia, is divided in two big, let's say, as if they were parties, two big currents. One that is centered around the greed that leads to death. Greed always leads to death. And another one that is centered on how to expand life and improve life.

When you take a topic like the climate crisis, you find it. Science tells you why there is a climate crisis. And if you get the deduction, you have to change everything if you want to live.

But you feel that the debate is important in a presidential candidate.

Yes, and the public debate, not just the candidate, that the people, the boys in the cafeteria...

Of course, they have to be aware that...

Of course, arguing, because they may be wrong in their opinions, but we have to argue, argue. Where are we going? Claro, discutiendo, puede que se equivoquen sus opiniones, pero hay que discutir, discutir. ¿Para dónde vamos?

Es de la única manera que ellos también escogen de decir, yo quiero votar por esta persona. Soy de acuerdo con esta persona. Y mira que ellos pues ahorita nos están escuchando, están viendo lo que estamos diciendo. Yo te iba a preguntar ahorita, que yo sin conocimiento, I don't know. You were saying that young people who fight drug trafficking and that your salary has gone up, why do they associate you with drug trafficking? You're telling me that you fight against it.

My enemies, because...

So, it's fake news?

Of course. I spent 20 years in Congress. Many young people today were not there when I made my debates. All my debates were to discover the links between the paramilitary and the politicians. The politicians were the ones who ordered the killing of the people. Not the people of one party or another, but the people because they opposed, let's say, that they crossed a route or that their children

got involved in that type of group or any circumstance. I don't know how many young people can remember the footballer Andrés Antioqueño, who was in the World Cup, he scored an own goal. He was a great player, a defender. And he was killed. Here in Bogotá, I thought he was killed for scoring an own goal. Then I, as a parliamentarian, started to investigate.

For a bet?

Why he was killed. The boy was handsome, entro a una escoteca, seguro una muchacha ahí, pues le echo el ojo.

Se supone que fue por eso.

Si, y el señor Gallon, que era el que iba con la muchacha, lo mató. Por celos. Era un mafioso. Santiago Gallon. Si usted sigue quien era Santiago Gallon. If you follow who Santiago Gallon was, you'll find something terrible. He was a convivir, decreed by the government of Antioquia.

It's a way of governing on the basis of death. And that's why I say there's a policy of death, that leads you to death, that leads the youth to death.

Here we are at this moment, look, there are people live, talking live. Let's ask a question to see what they answer.

One.

The people who are listening to this can put yes or no. Yes, if Petro has helped the young, no, if they have not helped him. Obviously, if you have seen a change, which has to be gradual, you can't change that overnight. You have to speak clearly.

Yes, yes, yes.

There is a good rate of yes. I'm surprised there is a good rate of C. I'm surprised, but I don't know if it's because he's already here sitting down. And now he's like this. Because before, no. I'm going to give you an example from Antioquia.

The University of Antioquia was bankrupt.

They were going to close it. And there was a strike. It's a public, departmental university. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. the first medicine production center in the city of Medellin for all of Colombia and made by the researchers and researchers created at the university. Young people. And then, look how those... You know the problem with medicines today in Colombia. And how expensive it is because they are all imported.

And how does the government verify that money is used for that?

It's a project that's been going on for several years. So you're right that we can't say that it will be maintained. It all depends on the continuity of the policies. But there is a contract already signed, etc. And it is necessary that the same student youth of the University of Antioquia see this pending.

Don't let that go to waste, because that is stealing money. And the factory of production of Colombian drugs can be set up for the Colombian population. That's a lot of money. And we can put a factory for the production of Colombian drugs for the Colombian population. That will be cheaper. And we can break the oligopoly

of the importation of drugs. And it will be better for us. And that's in the heart of Medellin.

There are a lot of young people there. I'm surprised by the young people. I'm telling you. You didn't think it would be like that. son de Medellín. Hay muchos jóvenes ahí, me sorprende lo de los jóvenes, se lo digo de verdad.

No creías que fuera así.

No creía que fuera así, pero yo ya en un stream aparte solo voy a hablar con eso para que también me lo expliquen de alguna manera, porque mira que ha cambiado y cambió más, o no sé si por lo que estás diciendo, o porque realmente han visto un cambio, pero de qué sirve el cambio si su gobernación termina. a change, but what is the use of change if its governance ends? Can that stay there or go back?

The changes of society. This is a phase. I say that a new era begins. I had to go through the hard part, because it is to break with some establishments that don't want to change. In this whole state. Congress, justice, courts, the same press attacking me every day, suffering every day the attack, but it is a way of opening a trough, right? And that trough is the path

of the transformation of Colombia towards more democracy and more equality, towards progressing with equality. And equality means that the young people here are the vanguard, because what we are doing will be for the young people of today. Of course. We will be leaving, I am already looking where to go, because where am I going to go? I don't know.

But it corresponds to a new generation. And the change is several years old. There are things that need to be changed drastically. How do we save the water of Colombia? How do we save the Amazon jungle? How do we investigate the seas?

How do we make the peasant population enriched with food production?

How do we make all the youth study higher education, art, poetry, whatever they want? Yes, to reduce insecurity so that the young people can't… How do we make mothers hug their babies so that their babies become good citizens and not get caught in a corner at some point. That's shocking. I've had like four kidnappings already.

I've suffered one.

I've had... imagine you suffering kidnappings. I used to walk. I'm a walker. Oh, well, before you were a youth. I liked to walk at night, but in Bogotá it's a little difficult. Very difficult. And that is... How difficult? Why is it so difficult to control that?

That means that the violence is above the law.

That means lack of opportunities. It's just that you have a society that actually excludes most of the population. Young people, black people, indigenous people, people who have coffee with milk. Or they don't have the last names you saw in the tunnel of presidents.

How old were those last names?

Those have been around for three generations. Three generations? tunnel the president how many years were those last names? those have been around for 3 generations 3 generations?

yes, you can...

so you say they were 3 generations of a bad government? it's an oligarchy that has governed and looks at itself and sees the budget as if it were theirs as if they were managing a farm and sees the population

as if they were the pawns who have the obligation to work for them without higher rights. It is a kind of old farm, and with old landlords who do not understand today's world, who do not understand all these things, they do not understand them.

I feel that one of the things that would change security is that there would be a lot of hard work with the criminal.

That is a vision that I call revenge.

No, you can't say revenge because you are committing a... I also come from the bottom, and I didn't decide to steal. I worked for my own sake, you know? I had to work for my own sake. That has to be the mentality of every person.

If you decide to steal, if you decide to attack someone, you're failing, and you're already going over someone else.

I'm going to put the case of the young woman, the young woman, of 21 years old, por encima de alguien más. those children who are not hers. And she doesn't find, she didn't have the study, she doesn't find the opportunity. What does she do?

Well, the right is to go and work as a prostitute. And the right doesn't, what is she going to do?

What is she going to do? So, it's almost a high probability that they end up like that. When prostitution comes in, it's already in some mafia networks. In that world, people's dealings are being moved. It's very difficult for someone to survive there. If someone gives them a hand, they can get out.

It can happen, but not in general. Then a siphon comes in. And a siphon comes in with all of his social relations.

He's the boy who carries the drugs. But somehow... I don't know the names of those boys, but I regret it because they put me in a siphon. Somehow, the woman, even though she's a prostitute, she's not hurting anyone. I'm talking more about the criminal. She's hurting herself.

Herself, yes, but...

And so, when she has her children, and she's going to have the same episode of not being able to hug them, that she has to leave them, those children won't have the same opportunities that you had, or that I had. It's the same, we go back to the same thing in Colombia. So we have to, of course, that's not overnight,

but we have to build a base of love about childhood and youth. I think That was only the last time I had a prototype of a of a of a of a

of a of a of a of a of a Un ejemplo, ¿qué opina usted de lo que hace Bukele? Con los bandidos allá.

Que se le va a reventar eso.

O sea, usted no está de acuerdo con lo que hace Bukele.

Claro, porque todos esos jóvenes, algunos culpables, otros no tanto, hay violaciones de derechos humanos, van a salir de las cárceles.

No, esa gente no va a salir de ahí nunca.

Van a salir de nunca van a salir no existe cadena perpetua ni pena de muerte y esa salida puede contener tanta ira entonces la sociedad salvadoreña va a entrar en un ciclo de violencia que ha estado en muchos ciclos de violencia. Es una probabilidad de que pase eso. Esa es una probabilidad. Pero de que hubo una mejora en el país hubo. that there was an improvement in the country. If I go back to college, not a torture camp, but a university, the prison, not a torture camp. Yes, because that was done by Hitler.

But it's that...

But if I go back to a university, for example, and those young people who arrive there for x or y crime, study, I have more... and I follow the person, because that doesn't happen in Colombia, the of the crime. It's not that a criminal likes to be a criminal. So, rehabilitation, which is what it's called,

is fundamental because a society... No, but here in Colombia...

I'll give you an example.

Australia was coming in from the prisoners they had in England. It was a colony of England. They had violence and things there, but today, how is Australia? in as is happening to us, being the sons and grandsons of criminals, because it was a place for penitentiaries.

I feel like it's a way of justifying the bandit.

No, I was here in that program, Young People in Peace, it made me cry. We met in... two things happened to me. We met in Fontibón with the group. There were some guys there that one would say, I'm the mayor and they'll soon fuck me.

But one of those the most, most bad-looking stopped and told me, Petro, because that's what they call me, Petro, I want to be a doctor.

And I said, Jesus, what's that? Petro, because that's what they tell me. Petro, I want to be a doctor.

And I said, ok, ok. It made me cry, because I know that to be a doctor at that time, I had to have 20, 30 million pesos to pay for the semester. And there was no one who could give it.

Let's give an example, just like you give me examples. What happens if I'm at my ranch, at my house, and a thief gets in? He wants to rob me. And I kill him with a gun that doesn't have papers. Who does the state defend?

Well, that's a difficult question, but I would put life first. I would tell you, if you have the gun, don't kill or let yourself be killed. Life first, things later.

But you don't know if he has a bad intention.

In Bogotá, it happens that they kill for a cell phone, right?

Yes, but I put the example of the house. If someone gets into your house, you have to have the right to fry them, you can't defend someone who enters your house.

And that man is going to have a brother.

Well, those are things that happen, but it's the decision he wanted to make.

We enter the theory of Tezacuno.

But one also has family, if someone enters my house, I'm with my wife, with my child.

What should have happened at that moment is that you had the opportunity to call the police. Not to do justice yourself.

No, don't come in brother, wait, call the police.

No, because you have a button that you can click. Of course, it may turn out that the police do not arrive. It may turn out that the police allowed that him to enter the house because those things happen.

Speaking like that, anyone can want to be a bandit.

No, I think that the Colombian society is made up of hardworking people.

That's how it should be. That's why you have to be tough on the bandit. If he doesn't want to be a bandit, they will defend him. And if he has the justification that he had a bad life, Is he'll but in Erla justification the canoes can you to an amala via por que yo también tuve mala vida

Yo también tuve una mala vía yo no tuve una vida poniendo que se maten a los bandidos no

Pues que si son bandidos Y entonces los bandidos tiene familia y uno también Entonces se van a vengar y en terminamos como en italia

No es que no si un bandido antes de cometer un delito before committing a crime, he thinks twice and says, no, I commit this crime and I go to jail for 40 years. He thinks about it. But most go to jail and get out after three months.

Our sentences are the highest in the world.

No, no.

And you know what a criminal does with those high sentences? For example, kidnapping. Let's give the example. He goes in to kidnap you, right? And he knows that it's 60 years. the que va a matar o morir. Entonces estamos colocando unas barreras en donde la vida es lo que menos vale.

Es que no debería ser así. No debería ser la propia.

La mayor parte del delito en Bogotá, no estoy hablando de Medellín, pero también podría asegurarlo, es robo de celulares. Cuando volvemos a la encuesta esta que te dije, de los 10,000 young people, almost gang members. Do you know what they said about why they stole their cell phones?

So I thought it was to buy drugs. That was the idea I had.

That's the majority, that's the... They made up a story and they believed it. Those faggots take that, steal it, and get into addiction, whatever.

So when the 10,000 answered, mostly, that it was to what it is. So, when the 10,000 people answered, mostly, it was to give it to the girlfriend.

Okay, so, I'm not going to read this.

And you know why the girlfriend demands a cell phone of those, I don't know, that changes every now and then. They are very expensive. The girlfriend, for social prestige in her neighborhood.

So, the boyfriend who is not able to give her that thing, Novia por prestigio social en su barrio. Entonces el novio que no sea capaz de regalarle ese cacharro, marca.

Hay casos.

Marca a caravela.

Hay casos de personas que hacen eso por la novia.

Y es la competencia en el barrio, digamos.

No, pero es que, ¿sabes qué? Yo le voy a decir algo. Los robos, los robos se ven en cualquier parte de Latinoamérica. Es super normal. You go to Argentina and they can rob you. You go to Chile and they can rob you. I've traveled and seen different types of robberies.

What you don't see are robberies that are so violent. If they come here with an iron and they put it on your head, you're already threatening the life of another person. Because they've taught you that life is worthless But he is a person who does not want to steal a cell phone That person wants to get there, wants to get a trauma, a mental person Because that traumas people, that fucks their head

That's why here in Colombia you hear a DT, any DR, any car And you look everywhere, that's not normal bro, you grow with that You grow with that, you feel half... Or the noise of the motorcycle

What?

It can scare you because you don't know if they're coming to kill you. Yes, exactly, if people are coming to the place.

Or it happened to me when I was 18, at 5 in the morning, a truck stopped near the entrance of the house. I thought it was a raid and that they were going to torture me. And that's how I lived, at 18 years old, remember the time, in 1978, we got used to living in fear, and we got used to, that is our historical reality,

to live between death. In 1993, Medellín was the most violent city in the world. And it still doesn't reach the world record of that time. When you see it today, Medellín has less homicide cases than Bogotá. That's obvious. And there was a success, right? A social success.

There was a success. Pablo Escobar. And others. It wasn't just Pablo Escobar. It was going down, down, and down. The level of violence in Medellín. There is violence still. Nobody can ignore it. How has it been discussed?

With the young people. A number of policies to talk to the young people so they can play football. Well, let's talk about that. So they can have a park, so they can go to a university. And that is decreasing the violence.

And the legal support for all people?

No, I don't want anyone to have guns. I don't use guns.

But then the bandits can have them.

The bandits steal them.

So if the bandits steal them, which is the best? foreign and i guess foreign

foreign foreign

foreign

foreign foreign and there is a movement to defend that each person can have their own weapon. And what happens in the United States? That it has a level of violence sometimes higher than in Colombia and that any crazy person goes and shoots people in the streets with a rifle or goes to a school and kills a lot of kids.

But that's a crazy person, I'm telling you.

No, but it repeats every now and then. It's not just one case. But it's here too. You're seeing it almost every month. So, why is that? Because they have armed people.

But it's very different here. Because you go there and buy a gun with your identification. Here, obviously, it's another type of culture.

Here, they buy a gun with your identification. Here, obviously, it's another type of culture. Here, they buy the gun there, because all the guns here are gringas.

Well, the guns here are gringas.

So they buy the gun there and they enter Colombia through various routes. And the same thing happens. And what is the origin of that? To allow people to have guns.

You know you bought me a gun. You're going to buy me a gun.

I used Wescol. I lived for years, decades, with a machine gun down here. And I saw my children grow up, my daughters, my babies.

I don't want those babies to see their father sleeping with a gun under his pillow.

And I never touched, not even in this office of mine, which is here, a gun. I agree that there are no guns. I have my shirt, I didn't bring it today. I used it for a week and a half before coming here, and I will continue to using it. I prefer that there are no guns, but that there are no guns. Not that some may have them and others may not. But that's a very extensive case. We can't extend it. Give me my gift. Give me the gift I bring you. Let's see. That's from my business.

A business?

Yes, I'm getting ahead with that, helping my family. What does this mean? That's the W.S.C.O.L. I'll use this one. I have the one from the Presidency, but I'm not giving this one away. No, no, that's it.

Because this one is expensive. I'm giving this one away.

I have one too. Not a single peso less in my life salary. Let me put it on, I don't have a lot of money. And here are some shirts that say something like this. Not a single peso less? What would this phrase mean?

Not a single peso less because they were going to take away my life salary and we would reduce it.

That's when bad people die. Yes, that's what I can't do. These are the ways to build peace. Okay. I'm a little bit of a pervert. I'm a little bit of a pervert. I'm a little bit of a pervert.

I'm a little bit of a pervert.

I'm a little bit of a pervert. I'm a little bit of a pervert. I'm a little bit of a pervert. No, I don't know how to dance to porro. You have to learn. I'll teach you. You have to do other things with the porros, not dance to them.

No, but those other things... It's not porro de los porros, but porro pelayero. And the porro pelayero is a band a little Mediterranean, a little Arab,

a little indigenous. You have to know how to do this because you have to to move the shape this is an indigenous hat a Spanish hat which is a hat from the Senú Valley

in the Senú Valley in the Córdoba Department where I was born and my grandfather is buried who was born in 1898 in San Pelayo Córdoba

I'm excited it looks like a country with a world hat.

I thank you very much, Petro, for the space, the president, obviously all the young people who saw this. Maybe it will be repeated again and again. Look at how social media is developing and the yellow media, maybe today, will eat. Goodbye, take care. Any words for the young people.

Well, youth, go ahead! Go ahead!

We can't go back, we have to go ahead. We can't go back, we have to go ahead.

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